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앵글매거진은 남한에서 재능 있는 많은 예술가들을 소개하고, 수상 경력에 빛나는 온라인 간행물이다. 우리는 계속해서 우리 주변에 있는 놀랍도록 창의적인 집단사회에 의해 영감을 받고, 그들의 작품들을 특집이나 미디어, 엄선된 내용을 통해 알리려고 한다. 가장 독특하고 흥미로운 아티스트, 자신의 분야에서 이제 막 시작한 신예 아티스트들을 알기 원하는 사람들이 우리 잡지의 구독자이다.

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....윌리엄 조셉 라이즈멘..William Joseph Leitzman....

....윌리엄 조셉 라이즈멘..William Joseph Leitzman....

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한국에서 무엇을 하고 있는지, 혹은 어떻게 만화책 작가가 되었는지 간단히 자기 소개를 한다면?

2008년 철학과 학위를 받았다. 졸업하기에 좋은 시기는 아니었다.그래도 일자리를 구하려 이리저리 노력했다. 그러다 한국에 있는 친구가 나에게 한국에 오라고 해서 오게 되었다. 그 때가 2009년이었다. 처음엔 학원에서 일하며 꽤 괜찮게 지냈고 두 번째 해에는 운이 좋아서 대학교에서 취직했다.

그러다 여차여차 석사학위도 받게 되었다. 이제 만화를 그리는 것은 내 직업이다. 어렸을 때부터 항상 만화를 그려왔는데, 글쎄, 잘 모르겠다. 점점 나이가 들수록 그리는것이 시들해 졌다고 해야겠다. 여기 온 뒤로는 더 이상 그렇게 많은 그림을 그리지도 않았다. 작년에 갤럭시 노트 10을 샀는데 그 때부터 다시 그리고 싶어졌고 실제로 매일 하나씩 그려냈다. 그때가 아마 10월 즈음인가 보다. 

그러면, 10월부터 하루당 만화 한 개씩을 그리고 있는가?

그렇다. 원래 아이디어가 있을 때만, 일주일 한번이나 혹은 며칠에 한번, 만화를 만들었다. 재미도 있었고 그 뒤로 (조금 걱정은 되었지만) 페이스북 페이지를 만들어서 하루당 한 개씩 그리로 했다. 처음에는 힘들었지만 그때부터 계속 그렇게 해 왔다.

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Can you tell us a little about yourself, what you do here in Korea, and how you came to be a comic artist?

When I graduated in 2008, it was the worst time to graduate, and I had a philosophy degree.  So I tried to find jobs, kind of, but eventually I had a friend in Korea and he said I should come over here so I did.  That was in 2009. I worked at a Hagwon, and it was ok, and then I got really lucky my second year and got a job at a university.  I started my Masters, got that done, and now that’s my job.  In terms of drawing comics, I always drew when I was young, but I dunno, I got kind of bored with it when I got older.  When I got here, I wasn’t drawing at all really. Last year I bought a Galaxy Note 10.  I just wanted to draw, so I did it, and eventually I decided to start doing one every day in, uh, October.

You’ve been doing one a comic a day since October then?

Yeah, since October.  I was doing comics just whenever I had an idea, like once a week or every few days.  It was fun, but then I decided to make a Facebook page and it was scary, but I’ve been doing it ever since.

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미술학이 아닌 철학이 전공이라 했는데 만화에 본인의 개인적인 철학을 담아 그리는가?

한 학기는 미술전공이었다. 대학생 때, 자신이 공부하고 싶은 분야를 아는 사람도 있지만, 대부분은 어떤 걸 하고 싶어 하는지 잘 모르는 경우가 많다. 나는 내가 철학을 하고 싶어 하는 줄 알았다. 하지만 사실 그건 그저 학사 학위다. 나의 개인적인 철학을 담냐는 질문에는 ‘그렇다’라고 대답해야겠다. 그렇게 하는걸 좋아하고 철학 전공을 선택한 이유 또한 그것이지 않겠나.

다른 방향으로 조금 생각한다면 나의 개인적인 철학이 부분 완성되지 않았고 지금도 계속 발전하고 있다고 봐야 한다.

 내가 그린 만화들을 보면, 꾸준히 변화한다는 걸 볼 수 있다. 한 달 후엔 내가 무엇을 그릴지 누가 알 수 있는가?  발전하는 것 그 자체가 나의 철학인 것 같다.

옛날에 그렸던 만화들을 다시금 볼 때가 있는가? 그럼 그 때 어떤 생각들이 나를 바꿨는지, 그리고 혹은 그 것들이 원래 의도와는 조금 다르게 표현된 것들이 있다고 생각되는 것들이 있나?

물론 그런 적 있다. 옛날에 그린 내 만화들을 보면 “아, 좀 유치하다”라고 생각하거나 아니면 뭐랄까, 가볍다 정도? 간혹 그렇게 생각할 때도 있다. 내 만화 중에서 가장 대중적인 것은 “기뻐하지 않는 것보다 기뻐하는 것이 훨씬 낫다”라는 맥락의 만화였다. 그러나 그렇게 결정하는 것이 항상 쉽지는 않다는 것을 알았던 것 같다.

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So you said you were a philosophy major and not an art major. Do you feel that you get to apply a part of your philosophy degree to your art work? 

I was an art major for about a semester. In college, a few of us knew what we wanted to study, but a lot of us didn’t and I thought that Philosophy was the answer.  It’s really just a college degree.  In terms of applying my own philosophy, yeah I think so.  I kinda like that and I think that’s what I was looking for in the philosophy major. 

In some ways it’s like I’m developing my own personal philosophy; that it’s still underdeveloped. If you read my comics, you can see a change throughout.  Who knows what I’ll be drawing in a month, you know?  But I think it’s that my philosophy is developing.

Do you ever go back and look at older comics and think about how, maybe, this idea has changed for me as a person, or that this mode of thinking is not the same as it used to be?

Yeah, sometimes I do go back and look through my comics and think, “Well, this is juvenile” or, I dunno, maybe a little simple?  I think one of my most popular comics was something along the lines of, “Be happy because it’s better than not being happy,” and I was just like, well, yeah, of course!  And I felt that way at the time, but it’s not like it’s always that easy just to make that decision.

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나무 그림과 함께 “그것이 실제 사실인지 아닌지는 중요하지 않다, 다만 당신이 어떻게 보느냐가 중요하다는 것을 깨달아야 한다”는 짤막한 문구가 들어있는 작품을 좋아한다.

나도 가장 좋아하는 작품이다.  어떠한 것을 다르게 보려고 매번 의식적으로 노력한다면 그것이 정말 다르게 보인다. 물론 '그게 어디 쉬운 일인가'라고 생각하는 사람도 있다. 근데 그건 우리 모두 노력해야 하는 일이다. 지금은 내 모토가 된 한 작품인데 “지금 당신은 행복하다는 것을 기억하라” 라는 그림이 있다. 우리는 누구나 행복했던 날들이 있고 우울한 날이 되면 예전에 그 행복했던 것들을 되돌아본다. 그러면 우리는 다시 행복하게 된다. 단순히 행복하라고 하는 것 보다는 낫지 않겠나.

대체로 만화들이 긍정적인 메시지를 담고 있다. 특별한 이유라도 있는가?

치유하는 방법인 것 같다. 사실 나 자신을 위한 것이라고도 볼 수 있겠다.  우울해할 때 내 그림을 그리고 나면 다시 활력을 찾는다. 또 좋은 생각(내 삶에 도움이 되는)이 떠올랐을 때는 다른 사람들과 함께 공유하고 싶다. 많은 사람들이 자신의 생각을 다른 사람과 나누고 싶어도 과연 다른 사람도 내 말을 듣고 싶어할까라는 생각을 한다. 나는 어쨌든 시도해보았고 사람들 또한 좋아하더라.

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I do like the one, with a picture of a tree and a quote that says, “You don't have to see reality for what it is, but you do have to realize that how you see is reality."

That’s one of my favorite comics, too.  If you really make a conscious effort to look at something in a different way, it can make a difference. But of course, there are a lot of people who might say it’s not that easy. It’s just something that I’m trying to do, what we all have to try to do. One of my favorite comics, and it’s become my motto now, says “Remember you are happy today.” We always have these times that are so happy, but then you might have a down day and you have to remember that you were happy, and that you are going to be happy like that again. It’s a little bit more honest than just “Be happy.”

Your comics focus mostly on positive messages and fostering good ideas. Do you have any particular reason for choosing to deal primarily in positivity?

It’s actually pretty therapeutic. I think a lot of it is for myself. If I’m feeling down, I’ll do something and it cheers me up or if I have this idea that helps me in life, then I want to share it. I think a lot of the time we have ideas that we want to share, but we don’t think that anybody wants to hear them. I just started doing it anyways and some people liked it

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본인 스스로 긍정적인 생각을 가지게 하기 위한 하나의 방법인가?

그렇다. 그리고 또 재미 위주의 만화를 만드는게 힘들기 때문이다. 때때로 아이디어를 내지만, 매일 같이 앉아서 “나는 재밌어 질거야”라고 생각하는 것은 쉽지 않은 일이다. 사실 뚜렷한 이유는 없어도 일단 시작한다. 내가 이런 종류의 만화를 할 것이라고는 한 번도 생각한적이 없다.

이런 노력을 하는데 도움이 되는 특별한 행동이 있는가? 시간을 따로 정해 휴식을 취하고, "자 이제 나의 만화를 위해 일할 시간이야"라고 생각하는가?

글쎄 잘 모르겠다. 나 어떻게든 해야만 하고 그건 꽤나 스트레스다. 보통 오전 11시가 되면 생각한다. “이런, 뭘 그려야 할지 모르겠어, 생각이 나질 않아, 또는 생각한 아이디어 전부가 변변치 않아” 하지만 매일 이런 생각을 하는 것이 어찌 보면 지극히 정상적인 것 같다. 또 이런 과정들은 아티스트가 되고자 하는 목표에 도움이 된다고 생각한다.  이런 관점에서 보면 도움이 되기도 하고 가끔은 이런 일련의 일들이 명상을 하거나 다른 작가와 같이 있는 것처럼 어느정도 스트레스를 풀어 주기도 한다. 어떻게 설명해야 할 지는 모르겠다. 나는 단지 만화가 좋다. 좋아하지 않았다면 시작도 안 했을 것이다.

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So you’re also keeping it for yourself, as a kind of reminder to think positively?

Yeah, and also because it can be hard to make funny comics. Sometimes I’ll think of an idea, but it’s hard to sit down every day and be like, “I’m going to be funny.” There’s no reason really, I just started doing it. I could never have guessed that I would be making these kinds of comics.

Do you find it helpful to have a routine for this kind of endeavor? You set aside the time, sit down, relax, and think “now it’s time to work on my comic.”

I dunno. I have to do it, so sometimes it’s actually stressful. It’ll be eleven o’clock and I’ll be thinking, “Oh, I don’t know what to draw, I don’t have an idea, or all my ideas are lame,” but doing it every day I guess it gives me some sense of normalcy? It also helps with my steps towards my goal of being an artist. So, in that sense, it is beneficial, but sometimes it’s therapeutic like doing meditation or with someone who paints. I don’t know how to explain it. I just like it. I like doing it and I wouldn’t do it if I didn’t like it.

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그럼 당신이 말한 것처럼 11시가 되었다고 가정하자. 오늘 만화를 완성해야만 하는데 아직 준비가 전혀 안되었다면, 어떤 마음으로 시작하는가? 또는 어디서부터 영감을 얻나?

작업에 집중하기 위해 명상을 시도한다. 하지만 그건 거의 잘못 된 거다. 사실 잘못 된 건 아니지만,  보통은 명상을 할 때 호흡에 집중하고 잡념을 버려야 한다지만 그건 머리 속에 수많은 생각이 들 때이고, 나는 대부분 명상을 멈추고 무엇이든 쓰기 시작한다. 이건 일종의 속임수 같은게 아닐까 싶다. 하이킹을 하거나 자연 속에 있는 것도 작업에 도움된다. 만화에도 많이 등장하는 허스키를 기르고 있는데 여기서도 영감을 얻는다. 때론 이유도 없이 갑자기 아이디어가 떠오르기도 한다. 무엇을 그려야 할지 아무 생각이 없을 때는 아이디어 목록을 살펴보지만 여기서도 영감도 받지 못하다 문득 떠오르곤 한다.

만화를 구상할 때 어디에 주로 포커스를 맞추나 ? 어떤 요소들이 색감이나, 아이디어 틀 그리고 캐릭터와 대사를 결정하는데 도움이 되는가?

과정은 주로 이렇다. 먼저 말하고 싶은 것이나 아이디어가 생각나면 그것을 독특하게 표현 할 방법을 생각한다. 이전에 하지 않았던 것을 생각 해내는 것은 게임과도 같다. 그리고 그것을 페이지에 담는다. 인용 그 자체는 사실 획기적이지는 않지만,  그게 있어야 만화는 더 흥미로워진다고 생각한다. 나는 주로 만화 스케치부터 해두고 색칠은 감정에 따른다.  감정과 색이 잘 어우러진다고 느끼기 때문이다. 색칠하는 것은 고작 10분에서 길게는20분 정도 걸린다.  갤럭시가 있기에 많은 레이어(페이지)를 이용하고 결정해낸다. 모두 전자기기를 이용한다. 펜과 종이가 어지럽게 놓여있는 것을 싫어해서 원할 때마다 지울 수 있는 갤럭시를 쓴다. 

다른 매체와는 다른, 전자기기로 그리는데 있어서 좋은 점이 있다면?

음, 전통적인 수단이 더 멋지다고 생각한다.  전통적인 표현수단으로 멋진 예술을 하는 사람을 본다면 그것은 정말 멋진 일이라고 생각할 것이다. 그러나 나는 그림을 구상하며 그것을 두고 오랫동안 고민하고 작업할 인내심이 없다. 내 생각엔 나는 인내심이 부족하다

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Maybe, like you said, it’s 11 o’clock and you have to finish the comic for today and you just aren’t ready at all. What do you do to get in the proper mindset for when you have to sit down and make a cartoon? Or from where do you draw inspiration?

I’ve been trying to meditate to get into that mindset, but that’s almost wrong.  Well, not wrong, but when you meditate, I think you’re supposed to focus on your breathing and get away from thinking; however, that’s when a lot of thoughts come into my head and sometimes I just have to stop meditating and write something down.  It’s kind of like cheating, I guess.  Hiking and being in nature helps me.  I have a dog that’s in a lot of my comics, a husky, and I get inspiration from him too.  But then sometimes it just comes to me.  I could have no idea what to draw and will be looking through my list of ideas and I’m not really being inspired by any of them, but then something else will come along.

What do you take into consideration when you think about how you would like to style or design a comic?  What factors help you decide what colors you are going to choose to go with certain quotes, how you are going to frame the idea, how you are going to position your characters and your words?

My process usually goes like this: I think of something to say, some idea and then some kind of unique way to show it.  It’s kind of a fun game to think of something that I haven’t done before and put it on the page. The quotes themselves aren’t really groundbreaking or anything, but I think that the comic that goes with them is what makes it interesting. I usually draw the comic first and in terms of colors, it’s based on my feelings, and sometimes just because I feel that they go well together. They only take about ten to twenty minutes max.  Since it’s on my Galaxy, I can use layers and decided whether or not I like something from there. It’s all electronic. I don’t like the mess of pen and paper, so with the Galaxy I can just erase it all if I want to.

I suppose that is a good benefit of doing your art electronically, as opposed to doing it in other mediums.

Well, I mean, the traditional medium is way cooler. If you ever see people do really awesome art on traditional medium, it’s really amazing, but I just don’t always have the patience to draw it out and plan it out first. I’m just not a patient person, I guess.

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